Any Libertarians

Leon35
Leon35: Are you Libertarian? Little or capital L, like to hear from you. What are your ideals?
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Leon35
Leon35: Libertarianism, what is it? Libertarianism is a political ideal and it can also be be a religious ideal. How is that? Libertaians believe in a form of government in which govenment has very little power. The power is in the people, the constitution, gives the power to the people, the govern, not to the govenment, the governors (congress, president). And so, when the governors pass a bill and the people do not like it, the people can vote it down. That is by the state's legislature. You see it happening now, with the Obama health care law.

To put it simply: We believe that every person has the same rights and freedoms and the only role of goverment is to protect our rights and freedoms as stated in the US Constitution and to protect us from agression here and from other countries. Anything more the government does is not its duty.
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Leon35
Leon35: How is Libertarianism a religious ideal? We have the ideal that everyone has rights and freedoms. If you want to believe and practice a religion, thats your right but, keep it to your self, do not force others to believe what you believe. Do not harm, steal, or commit fraud to anyone. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Live and let live is the Libertarian way.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: I'mma Libertarian. Not many people on this site seem to believe such a thing exists- most confuse them for "Liberal", and can't believe something can exist out of the two "sides"

http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
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Leon35
Leon35: Lipton, thanks for your comment. Are you a little l or big L libertarian?? You are right, many people think libertarian comes from the word liberal. No, libertarian comes from the word liberty. Please make more comments. Hopefuly, it will provide more discussion about this subject. Which is the whole idea here.
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Leon35
Leon35: What do Libertarians think or propose about "Taxes". Taxes is something Libertarians are very much against. We do not approve of having the IRS. On the US Constitution, it provides funds for the operation/role of the federal government. Under Article 1, Section 8 it states "Congress may lay and collect taxes, duties, and excises... to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states." The meaning there is: collect taxes from "trade", not from income.
Taxes today is the largest item on our family's budget. On the federal side we pay taxes on gas/oil for our cars, oil/gas for heating our homes, pay import/export fees (businesses pass the cost to consumers)and services. So, the IRS and the income tax is not needed. These taxes will pay for the job the government is enpower to do under the Constitution.
States collect sales tax on gas and oil also. They collect taxes on property, motor vehicles, and businesses.
Then counties collect taxes for property, motor vehicles, schools, permits, and businesses.
Finelly, cites collect taxes on all purchases consumers make: food, non-food items, permits, and businesses.
If you were to add all these taxes, you would see that we are taxed over half of our income (60%).
Libertarians want governments (federal, county, city) to cut taxes and provide better ways to serve its citizens. They can if the governing bodies are non-political. Think about it !!!
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Leon35
Leon35: Further more on taxes. Libertarian do not want or like the "fair tax" or the "flat tax" proposals. Why - the fair tax takes the IRS out and tax payers pay the tax when they buy anything. It leaves the tax to be raised again. Like wise the flat tax leaves the IRS and can be raised again. Look at it like this, a tax is a tax.

Libertarians believe that what income (money) you earn - it is your money to do as you please. You can spend it, save it, give it away, or burn it (it is unlawful to burn it). The government should not take part of it even before you receive your pay check !!
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Leon35
Leon35: If you want to learn more about the Libertarian Party go to thier web site at www.lp.org I can not state all their statements on all the issues. But, some that I state here are mine but, pretty much in line with thiers. I am a Libertarian with a capital "L". Which means that I am a hard nose Libertarian. I believe in the Libertarian way, have run for a political office under the Libertarian ticket/ballot. and only vote Libertarian.
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Leon35
Leon35: More information about the Libertarian Party. The party was formed in 1971. It is the third largest political party in the nation. It fields candidates in more states then any other third party. It receives more votes then any other third party does. It has a candidate for president every election for over thirty years. Its presidential candidate in 1988, Ron Paul, received over a million votes. No other third party candidate has beat that record.
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Leon35
Leon35: There are a few things peole misunderstand about the Libertarian Party's issues.

Many people think Libertarians want to legalize drugs. No, we are not drug users, we are not for having a drug paddler at every corner. Drugs can be use for medical purposes. They been found to relief pain and to cure some illnesses. Those that need them should be able to get them from a doctor. If some one uses them and gets high, they should be treated the same as if he/she is drunk and dangerous to others. What do you think ??
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Leon35
Leon35: Another issue that bothers people about the Libertarian Party is abortion. Shouldn't it be the husband and wife who decide if they want more children? Why should it concern anyone else? Why should it concern the government? That is why Libertarians are pro-choice on this issue. We are not pro-abortion. We value life but we value freedom and liberty more.

In the case of a minor, it should be up to the parents and the girl/boy to decide and if they want to include a doctor or cleryman, that would be up to them.
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Leon35
Leon35: It looks like LiptonCampbell was right. No one has made a commenet on the titled "Any Libertarans". So, is that to say no one will ? So, my question is what is so great about Democrats and Republians ideals ? And, why are you afraid of Libertarians ?

The reason no one votes Libertarian is that the liberal media will not cover Libertarian candidates. If they did, more people would know about the Libertarian Party, But like I said, they do not want people to know about this party !!
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stephinrazin
stephinrazin: I have much in common with libertarian values. In fact, I am active in political efforts associated with the libertarian leaning republican Ron Paul. This being said, I have gradually come to the realization that the politics of this country mainly serve the purpose of controlling discussion. Real issues are replaced by personalities, and talking points without substance. I recognize that even if all those I support were to grow in political power it would not solve the core issues. Issues like the true purpose of political parties, and the electoral fraud that permeates the system. Republics, and arguably all governments, are controlled paradigms. The rise of the middle class in Europe led to the aristocracy realizing they needed to find new methods of controlling the masses. This took many forms. At the end of the day any faith in a government is doomed to disappoint.
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Leon35
Leon35: stephinrazin, thanks for your comment. I apprecate your support of Ron Paul, as I also give my support to him.

Your comment is way above most people to understand. And, since I consider myself "most people". I don't know where to begin to answer you... sorry!
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stephinrazin
stephinrazin: Sorry I kind of forget my views are make no sense to many. After 911, Iraq, and studying of the Federal Reserve I came to question a lot. It grew to where I have begun to critically examine every institution I always believed was justified. I may not be correct, but I think if we accept things as is we will always be stuck.
I am happy that libertarian values are on the rise more now than ever. People are realizing the gravity of the issues we face, and are looking for new ideas outside of the same old stuff.
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Leon35
Leon35: Yes, I agree with you on most all you stated.

Reason I asked what party or who you voted for Senator, is that you seen to be a strong conserveative. And, the fact that I used to live in Morrow, Georiga, South of Atlanta, 'till a couple of years ago.
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stephinrazin
stephinrazin: Oh really. Sorry if I came off defensive, but I figured it was a trap. Too many petty thread debates have got me suspicious. Actually, last cycle I was out west. I was caught up in my own things so I did not even think twice about Georgia politics. If I had been I would have written in someone probably. I know I should have gotten the absentee ballot, but live takes over sometime.

Do you wanna try and make this a regularly updated liberty/libertarian thread? Videos, articles, and information about issues that may fly under mainstream political dialogue.
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MissTrouble78
MissTrouble78: Nothing to see here. Post deleted by user.
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MissTrouble78
MissTrouble78: I am one with your opinion about religious freedom. Person's beliefs toward religion can not be enforced, the trust will be more enduring if it came from his own heart and my principle: Do not be too fanatical about religion, appreciate and respect other religions, I think it is more prudent. If the others I do not understand it. I wrote in my language : Saya satu pendapat dengan anda mengenai kebebasan beragama. Keyakinan seseorang terhadap agama tidak dapat dipaksakan, kepercayaan itu akan lebih abadi jika datang dari hatinya sendiri dan prinsip saya : Jangan terlalu fanatik terhadap agama, HARGAI dan HORMATI agama yang lainnya, saya rasa itu lebih bijaksana. Jika yang lainnya saya kurang memahaminya.
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Leon35
Leon35: MissTrouble, sorry I don't speak or read your lanuage. But yes, Libertarian beleive in our first amendment right freedom of religion.

Glad to hear from you. Don't be so long in keeping in touch. Take care and God bless.
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flashie
flashie: huxley remarked in brave new world revisited the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny 'failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions.'
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: Doesn't make the pursuit any less moral.
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flashie
flashie: youre right, i think huxleys point was its makes it moral but ultimately a time waste.
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LiptonCambell
LiptonCambell: The pursuit of morality is never a waste of time.
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flashie
flashie: yessir.
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