OCD_OCD: Neoconservativism was started by liberals. ROFL. Sheesh. Spoken like a true socialist.

chronology: For once you are correct OCD. 'Whose a clever boy then'?

OCD_OCD: Not me. I have boobs, thankyewverymuch.

chronology: wishfull drinking. (and not the Carry Fisher book).

Blackshoes: Studies are generally payed for by the groups; or people that want it to say, one thing or another .This look like just such and example .

Outbackjack: Hmmmm okay.
Fair enough I will ask you a relative question that you might be in the know about.

Studies have suggested that steroid use can shrink the penis.

True or false?

Outbackjack: Gerald.

You praise the Spanish civil war and the Anarchists. Yet criticise the far left.Its very hard to see where you stand.

chronology: Gerald. Your balls have never shrunk because you live in Brisbane. Try playing soccer on a cold winter's day in Europe and you will be amazed how small things become.

Great2012: at this time conservatives can be divided in to so many branches as the same the liberals but if we are talking about the right wing in america like rush and hannity well yes they are far lagging from the direction of this globe but i am more conservative in economic way but socially i am far liberal than any thing you can think of. so where do i go from this idea i have from both sides
i am sure i will be independent if i have to choose in political spectrum..

Great2012: Most of my friends ask me why do I hate obama and the reason for me is just reality with the economy and the barden he put on finanicial power house companies. I hate him and I hate him on that period. Do I look floosh yes if only if you are lazy.

lavendar_star: How can you hate someone you dont know or doesn't affect your life, I didn't like Bush but hate is such strong word, I dislike my Prime Minster but I dont hate him. You hate murderers or people who have done you wrong in the worse possible way or hate people who have hurt your family. strange!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Outbackjack: Bush is a murderer.You only have to look at the wars he started.

Great2012: lavendar , ok i can see you that it sticks to your head the word hate is just hate just like that i hate him because he is hurting so many families and that is true , but may be you can n't see it.

Great2012: Next, Saddam may or may of not had weapons of the type that concerned the governments that launched an invasion of Iraq, there may or may not of been a burial or dismantling or transporting of it out of Iraq if the weapons claimed to exist did exist or there may of been none there at all. One way or the other the excuses to go into Iraq were lame including the so-called Al-Qaeda link there, which by the way didn't exist .


well said Gerald
but i am sure almost 4 million displaced from their home town in iraq and more than few hunderd thausands deid and i could say that the war in iraq was wrong by all means because if we can compare assad with sadam that is way far Gerlad but sure there is no prove for the right wing and left wing but sure the left are growing at a very fast rate and that makes the arguemnt more true to say that it is only about evolving nothing else.

Blackshoes: Very interesting comments ,As a friend once said to me", many years ago:It all comes out in the wash.

chronology: Great2012 'the excuses to go into Iraq were lame'. Hmmmmmm well let's have a look at the facts. I am not disrespecting Saddam but he had a proven and documented history of sending his representatives on shopping trips abroad. They never went shopping for 'Tom and Jerry' cartoons or bottles of Scotch like Idi Amins representatives did, they went shopping for the most devastating weapons and weapon systems money could buy. Saddam's shopping basket was filled with Nerve Gasses, Chemical weapons, Fuel Air Bombs and Fragmentation bombs. He used all these on the Iranians, the Iranians used the same on him.

What do you think would have happened if Mr Bush and Dr Rice left him to his own devices and vacated the Gulf without deposing him? Do you honestly think he would have spent the vast wealth he had on Amusement Parks and Wildlife Preservation Reserves? (Remember the most popular videos in Saddams Iraq were execution videos of some poor bugger being blown apart with dynamite).

Great2012: chronology well you may think like that but the motive to wage a war in iraq is not just like what you said and all what you said may be true but i would totally choose if they invest the money all in Afghanistan and killed all these radicals and by now i am sure we would have been far better than today in terror. but you yes you have your own opinion and i have to respect that. with out mentioning how many children of iraq died in erratic war that supposed to be saved in other place. but when i compare sadam and assad i have to choose assad to be hunged on the pole or may be iran leaders.


but all points i asid is not to support sadam too . he is evil but not the value of 10 years war budget.

Outbackjack: I wont comment on you getting your knickers in a twist Gerald over this forum ut I will say this about war.

If there was a trial of war criminals over the Iraq or afghan war what woulld these soldiers say.I tell you what they would say.They would use the Nuremburg excuse that they were only following orders.

Bush ordered his generals to get the army to invade Iraq.The orders are simple.Shoot to kill any armed resistance (people defending their homes).

The army doesnt move until its ordered to.There is no democracy.Its a heirarchial system with Bush or Assad right at the top.