What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy, Science and Religion? (Page 2) CoIin: "Faith is believing something you know ain't true." (Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Following the Equator / 1897)  Mr Twain's attorney will be in touch CoIin: Scientists are sometimes a little suspicious of philosophers, even those who specialize in the philosophy of science. They might take the attitude "What do these guys know about science?" Well. here's the best analogy I can think of:- Let's compare a native speaker of a language, say English, with a non-native speaker, say Japanese, who teaches English (to other Japanese) for a living. With very few exceptions, no one speaks a language better than a native speaker; even if fatigued or  the native speaker will always maintain correct form - using the correct tenses, adding that annoying "s" to the end of third-person singular verbs (i.e. she "likes" ) without even thinking about it.It's unlikely that our Japanese friend will be able to compete in terms of performance, but he will be able to give a much better explanatory account of WHY the native speaker does the things he does. For example, a lot of native speakers might not even know the difference between "much" and "many" - why do we say much money but many people - even though they use both words effortlessly and correctly. An explanation of this distinction would be easy-peasy to our non-native teacher. The scientist is like the native speaker; the philosopher like the non-native teacher - the former is more competent IN English; the latter knows more (conceptually) ABOUT English. Or we might compare the scientist to a pilot and the philosopher to an airplane mechanic... (Edited by CoIin)  Circle of Life: Religion = Philosophy + Science Science = Religion + Philosophy Philosophy = Science + Religion Philosophy = Theory Science = Experiment Religion = Mythology Religion = theorized experiments Science = mythical theories Philosophy = experiencing mythologies (Edited by Circle of Life) mr1benjamim: hi, in my opinion science is the fiscal study of matter; religion is believing in something or train the mind and body; philosophy the eternal search for reality  jvolzka: That is a very good question. The answer does exist within the scope of philosophy, but not where you might look. One of the parts of philosophy is Ethics. Ethics lead to morality. So, already we know where religion comes from, I'll explain. Ethics is the study of right and wrong, good and bad, ugly and beautiful. To make these decisions you must explore the objective. What you learn from that exploration is epistemology. Since epistemology is what we know, we must structure that knowledge toward what is useful, so we have logic. So, you ask "What Is The Difference Between A Philosophy... etc": First comes discovery, or science, so we can know something. Then comes the ethical study of what is right and wrong. Then, once what is right and wrong is contained in our epistemology, we can do what we should (ought to) do, which is morality. From new takes on morality comes religion. Good ways can steer the coarse of nations, so can bad ones. Philosophy is important. Ethics does not intrinsically lead to religion, but it has in older cultures and stands as observable traditions and the foundations of cultures. We cannot use ethics, to upset existing (harmless) morality. It would be unethical to do so, showing the need for logic. That is how it was explained to me (in college). I'd love a coherent rebuttal. (Edited by jvolzka)  lori100: science evolved from philosophy and to philosophy it is returning with quantum physics...leading to the question what is real?....physicist Bohr said everything is made of stuff that's not real...----------"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” -― Niels Bohr, Essays 1932-1957 on Atomic Physics and Human Knowledge (Edited by lori100) jvolzka: Interesting. You touch on epistemology here as at the quantum level, direct observation is limited or not possible. So, what we know becomes supposition and inference, though, presumably logical, which until recently in human history, was never required since we do not comprehend what cannot be observed. To me, this poses a philosophical problem. I may even go as far as to say that we cannot make philosophical arguments in this area until the quantum state stops surprising us. Thoughts? (Edited by jvolzka) lori100: Bohr , Tesla and other scientists studied the Eastern philosophies which lead to their discoveries....I think philosophy explains reality at the quantum level now...science will eventually catch up.... lori100: “Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.” ― Albert Einstein --------------------- “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”  touching the void: I think they are all connected. Philosophy is free or broad thinking. Science is narrow thinking. Religion comes at the end. Philosophy comes first, science comes next and faith comes at the end. Science can lead to religious belief. Philosophy can be a hypothesis. A hypothesis can become a scientific theory after it is proven by experiment. It was a philosopher who came up with the idea of the indivisible particle called atom. iowagent1956: Philosophy is the pursuit of truth. Science is the pursuit of fact. Religion is the pursuit of identity. All three have value in human society  hg1234: Philosophy - A system of logic that creates Theories from what is observed. If a theory hold true under all conditions it is called a Proof, a Fact. If a condition if found where the theory fails the theory is falsified. Science - A philosophical discipline that validates or falsifies theories using experimentation. As experiments are under limited conditions they can not prove a theory. Religion - The revelation of an absolute truth. It may use philosophy (logic) to expound on this truth. Thereby creating a philosophical like system but not limited to what can be observed, a spiritual dimension. Modern Science - A religion where the revelation is the validation (not proof) of a theory. This produces useful, but not necessary true, facts. Even if the theory is falsified if it is useful it is still considered a fact. Philosophy, Science, and Religion seek truth. Modern Science seeks what is useful.  Evelyn99: Hmm let me give this a try. Philosophy relies on reason, evidence and experience for its results. Religion depends on faith authority grace and revaluation for truth. Philosophy and science have many thought processes in common. Science rely on empirical observation and analysis Fog Swept Glade: It‘s orientation for philosophy, religious fantasy, or testing for science. Science has orientation and testing. Philosophy has all. religion has some real history in parts. Fog Swept Glade: A point of view summary is the best part of science and philosophy. I haven‘t a religionist perform a summary without lying. Evelyn99: Religion is always a philosophy but philosophy doesn’t always have to be religion. Not absolute truth how contenting that would have been. Religion is human made up philosophy but remember that humans always have been very spiritual and often but a ritual in front of common sense and some aren’t healthy or anything. Like fireworks on New Year’s Eve is a small example of a ritual or Christmas tree inside the house full of glitter and stuff. If you go to the botanical institute and ask them what exactly there is with that tree that makes you reflect and hopefully think positive thoughts about your family. Comon sence seems to be very low on the list compared to rituals. As long there have been human beings here rituals have been taken place.,what arguments can you have to say that religion is absolute right when they are so different from each other. In science a theory isn’t what a theory means else where. When used in science it’s back up what we see and how it moves and also a mathematical definition have to be in place for it to be one. Like gravity is a theory. There is no longer a term used to say scientific fact. Because like any other story it’s right till proven wrong. Like that the earth was flat. Some religious people still choose to believe in that.’ | Philosophy Chat Room 14 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
