The UK goes feral!! (Page 2) o_o Dilly o_o: Like i said b4 Stewart, im tougher than that...try harder. Oh still waiting for that pic or vid tic toc tic toc Get back on topic oh very unoriginal one....im off for lunch bye bye. Aryaa: ok...I got what you mean. There is a paradox..here.The immigrants move with intention of better lives to other country...but they just can't blend in that culture due to various reasons. They should, but they don't. But, the next generation of the immigrants, their kids blend well, provided their parents don't condition their mind and confuse them. Riots are mainly attention-seeking bunch of people through violent means. Aimless youths get some sort of 'high' by it.  To curb them by enforcing discipline is the only solution.  Comrade_: I read some of the reason for rioting, it was tension between the youths and the police. I think it got out of hand, but still that is no excuse they should still be accountable for their damage. It's good to note this, what one of the residents said: "He said Tottenham had a bad reputation for drugs, with very few prospects for jobs, but not everyone behaved like the dealers and addicts. "I'm from Tottenham, but I go to uni, I made myself good and got a job," he said. "But if I wear like a hoody and walk in the road, they'll just call you, check you and search you - that's a breach of your human rights." He added: "I'm not happy about the rioting, but I think it was necessary so that the people will know what's going on in this community and they'll learn from that." ...The tension is there.  DrCarrieAnneMD: The way these riots have been dealt with is ridiculous. Why is David Cameron only now flying back home? I'm disgusted by the actions of these youths. People's lives torched for no other reason than to destroy. It makes me so sad, and my heart goes out to the people that have suffered at the hands of such wanton recklessness. To say they are predominantly one race is inaccurate and frankly racist. Are you there, on the streets, or are you just making baseless assertions to support your latently racist views? I can't and won't justify what these kids have done, but the sad thing is these kids are a product of modern British society that offers little to no prospects for our youth. They are born into poverty, and will likely die in poverty. We have one of the lowest rates of social mobility in the developed world. I'm not with you on the whole racist kick, but I do feel that we've allowed an unsustainable rate of immigration into our country and that has led to massive difficulties with employment and benefits. I'm not anti-immigration, I'm anti-immigration on such a massive scale.  StuckInTheSixties: As he often does, Juba_The_Sniper has posted commentary that seems designed to provocate, rather than illuminate. Juba_The_Sniper says: "How you enjoying your multiculturalism, Britain?" As others have said in this thread, race is irrelevant. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior. Juba_The_Sniper says: "Paraic O'brien mentions 'blacks' on BBC News and that the looters are predominately black." A clever skewing of O'Brien's actual words: "After the reggae festival finished some violence flared on one of the streets that runs adjacent to the main High Street in Brixton in south London and there were about 150 young, mainly black men charging at police lines. They broke shop windows, they set bins on fire etc." O'Brien was referring to this specific incident, directly after a reggae festival, rather than the rioting in general. And that is just one sentence amongst many paragraphs of text in which there is no reference to the race of the rioters. Juba_The_Sniper says: "Why do these liberals and apologists always run to their defence, excusing them, citing deprivation and poverty? why do these people always think they are owed something?" Wow! What a gross generalization! Again, criminal behavior is criminal behavior, and I think most people share that outlook. Drain_Bammage says: "Name one major city in the western world that doesnt have an enclave made up of immigrants that basically refuse to totally abide by the host countries beliefs,culture and laws." San Francisco. That's the closest major city to where I live. davidk14 says: "A rioter is a rioter. Whatever it takes to stop the riots. Police, military, thermonuclear....oops... .... seriously...a serious show of force to stop the rioters." While he's not actually coming right out and saying it, david is obviously implying that firearms should be employed, that rioters should be shot. david, would you also have rioters shot after Super Bowl, NBA, or World Series victories? After all, "a rioter is a rioter."  davidk14: . Sixties said: While he's not actually coming right out and saying it, David is obviously implying that firearms should be employed, that rioters should be shot. David, would you also have rioters shot after Super Bowl, NBA, or World Series victories? After all, "a rioter is a rioter." David responds: Perhaps if I had not been joking around using the nuclear option, you might have not concluded that I “obviously” was implying that firearms be used as a first resort. I was not. Non-lethal force was what I should have “obviously” alluded to. . caramel lady: Thank you Stuck in the sixties and Dr carrieann for posting a unbiased and common sense well thought out argument > These riots are wrong and the participants should be charged and punished and thank you also for exposing Juba-the sniper's intentions so eloquently. I salute you As for multi cultural Britain I was born in I love it. I went for a walk today and I saw interracial couples, diverse shops and businesses and people from all over the world working and living together. My grandparents came from Jamaica as a part of the British empire (i.e Britain made itself great from its colonial exploitation's across the world thats how it got it rich just like the Roman empire before it that used to enslave and pillaged the rest of Europe) The immigrants who first arrived here didn't integrated well due to racism, ( The tag line, No dog, No Blacks and No Irish was a common sight in 1950 and 60s Britian. These immigrants contributed greatly to the British economy i.e the NHS, Transport and numerous other industries. Furthermore, the major cities of Britain have had immigrants since the beginning of time-there where black people here in the 18th century. Furthermore immigrants still do the jobs that indegious english refuse to do i.e the rubbish jobs. But for social cohesion there should be a cap in immigration but the right wing Prime minster Margaret Thatcher made Britain a part of the EU, so Britain is powerless with the numbers of eastern European immigration here. Also there was slums, poverty and crime in England amongst the white working class before the mass immigration in the 50s and 60s. I personally couldn't live in one race society and feel that this country couldn't survive without immigration due to the fallen birth rates and rising elderly population. Go Britannia ( which is a Rome word and invention as Britain was a series of kingdoms not a cohesive nation. You don't even know your own history Juba lol P.S Juba the sniper seen the newspapers and I saw white, black and Asian male youths causing trouble and their all the same mindless thugs who need the full force of the law used against them. Also I see black, white and Asian and all other races of British citizen coming together to condemn these riots and unite to clean up the streets. That what makes Great Britain Great o_o Dilly o_o: Visit London great place to be assaulted then helped then robbed EDITED: noticed wrong word used. StuckInTheSixties: David says: Perhaps if I had not been joking around using the nuclear option, you might have not concluded that I “obviously” was implying that firearms be used as a first resort. I was not. Non-lethal force was what I should have “obviously” alluded to. No, david, the nuke reference was understood to be a joke. My impression came from your suggestion for the military to be used. And I didn't say that you said, or allude that you said, firearms should be used as a "first resort." I said that you were suggesting "that firearms should be employed, that rioters should be shot. That's what soldiers generally do, y'know. They shoot people. That's their job. That's what their trained for. They're not trained as cops. That's why it's generally not a good idea to employ them for non-military needs. caramel lady: This is a classic Punk tune (punk music evolved from ska music early reggae- this is what multi cultural Britain created) The past can still inspire and inform the present and the future (Post deleted by staff ) (Post deleted by staff ) (Post deleted by staff ) (Post deleted by staff ) o_o Dilly o_o: Was listening to a new report on the radio as i drove my lot to school and the young English lad said, "they wont stop cause they sick of the police stoppin them n questioning them (whilst hanging around the streets) cause they got no money n need stuff and the snobs dont get it" What they hell!! They got no money (get a job) so they think its their right to riot their issues in this way, what a bunch of dumb arses. No wonder the country has problem if this is their youths opinions on life. davidk14: . Sixties, If the police cannot respond to rioters because they lack the numbers of officers that are needed, then military troops are an option. Usually, the Military Police are the first to be deployed since they ‘are’ trained in law enforcement. Military Police were used in New Orleans to protect life and property when the police presence was basically non-existent and don’t believe you would have had any objection that they were used on the streets of New Orleans. On the other side of the tracks, we do, well I do, remember Kent State. . o_o Dilly o_o: Apparently the riot police are now allowed to use rubber bullets if necessary, i cant understand why they havent already. How long are they going to let these little shits burn down their cities. Military should have been bought in once it was obvious that the police were unable to control the situation. (Post deleted by staff ) o_o Dilly o_o: Well Col its the same the world over. But riots arent the way to get a job or improve your life situations. And I hate Glee. There is work out there, everyone needs to open their eyes and look out side the box. Stop being picky and think that job or that one is beneath them. Comrade_: I see, but even if there is frustration, how can it be solved/justified by rioting and destroying someone else's livelihood by looting and destroying their business? btw I don't know the structure of the UK's military and if they're trained to handle civilians. | Off Topic Chat Room Similar Conversations |
