What's your opinion on the south? BigCitySlicker: usually, most hardcore rap fans don't care to much about southern rappers. It's true a lot of them are lame and materialistic, but a lot of hip-hop artist in the south aren't that way. Most of the good ones are underground. There are lot artist and fans think the south ruin Hip-Hop (Not me, thought 8)). What's your take on the matter?  Soul-A-Lot/Rex0230: Well, there's a difference between southern rap and dirty south rap (or now days crunk or snap)... Dirty south artist suck balls, while southern mc's are on a whole different level... Dirty South: Mystikal, Master P, Nelly, Lil Wayne, Lil this and Lil that, Young or Yung this and Young that, Whole Cash Money Click, Pitbull (especially this b#w^x), Lil Jon, The Ying Yang Twins, David Banner, Rick Ross, Plies - Suck balls! Southern hip hop: Geto Boys, UGK, 90's Outkast, Little Brother (includin' 9th Wonder), 8Ball & MJG, Three 6 Mafia, Goodie Mob (mostly Cee-Lo... not really feelin' others cuz of the strong accent), Arrested Development, 2 Live Crew (didn't see this one comin? legends... politicians wanted to shut them down, but they couldn't) and my favourite group Dead Prez (geographically only) - need I say more??? Note: I didn't put T.I. nowhere cuz I ain't feelin' him, but I don't think he suck as much as Lil Wayne and others Also, IMO, Puffy had the biggest part in destroyin' hip hop... late 90's jiggy era... nowdays it's mostly south but there are leeches from all coasts... 50 (east) and Snoop (west) BigCitySlicker: yeah, I agree. I actually like T.I. At least the guy stays true to himself. I just don't dig all of that stunting music. He's not the king of the south to me. That would be Scareface, but the guy's pretty cool deemack: now i gotta admit.... im definatley a seasoned hip hop connoisseur ..... but when it comes to south rap i know almost nothing about it! i think its because i've never particularly been grabbed by south rap or what it has to offer (if anything lol) the only south shit i was into was hot boyz (B.G, juvenille, young turk and of course that t%xz lil wayne) i think it was a pretty tight group lyrically and beat wise they had a good run with more then a few bangers and memorable rhymes.... but apart from that, to be honest, i just dont care about south rap.... i know this is gunna offend a few die hard fans when i say this, but i dont rate scarface at all! i dont see what all the fuss is about!.... i mean.... my friend brought around "the fix" about a year ago and i was like: "f@zw it i'll give this shit a chance" but it failed to impress me, i think the word "LAME" sums up his whole style and sound and YES i did give him another chance because i did my research and checked out "the diary" (which also got 5 mics) and i was nodding off by the second track... and NO im not hating because i still respect him for his contribution to hip hop, it s just that I PERSONALLY dont feel his shit... as for any other south rapper.... NO, they dont interest me in the slightest, i dont know what it is but its seems like 99% of the south shit isnt wholesome enough to keep real rap fans coming back for more, if you notice, most south rap groups or rappers have a realy hot stint and then quickly disintegrate back into obscurity, which is obviously because people who have an ear for the good stuff dont rate it, it only pleases your john or jane chart idiot for a couple of months not long before being replaced by an even more shallow, annoyingly catchy tune..... but on the flip side, no true hip hop fan can deny or ignore the fact that this is the most prosperous period for the genre (economically anyway) because its generating more and more interest and attention for the scene but the trouble is when peoples attentions are grabbed they're confronted with trash like "superman" and "lolli pop" which paints a false picture for any budding hip hop fan who wants the real deal and dosent know any better than the trash he or she hears on tv or the radio...... its a double edged sword realy, prosperity at the cost of your soul, if you know what i mean..... but ultimately, i think this whole south rap period is the worst in hip hop history, with it comes ringtone rapper madness and crossover, culture ruining music which is killing the scene (in my opinion anyway..) and the true hip hop greats will be left to pick up the pieces when the "south era" finally ends... IF, it ever ends..... - 1 - BigCitySlicker: What are your talking about? Yeah, I'm from New York, But I LIVE in the south now. This where I began to fall in love with hip-hop. I actually work with Hip-hop underground artist from all over the place almost everyday. But to be fair, there was a time I was a bit hip-hop bias about the south and how could you blame me?? You can't tell tell me that lil' john and the eastside boys, "dem franchise boys", and d4l makes the south look good, because they don't. Hell, in the studio, there are guys that ask me to produce beats for some of the corniest song i've ever heard, but on the other hand, I've heard some of the greatest rhythms I've ever heard right there in that same studio. And that all comes from one place: the south. What Soul-a-lot and demack said about the south; I agree with. All of this pop culture crap is killing hip-hop (Grillz, spinners, stuntin', 'making it rain it rain on them hoes' ect.) And all of these rappers are so scared to be themselves, that they think that they have to do all of that just to make a living as an artist. Doesn't that tell you anything about the souths place in hip-hop? All these companies and record labels(Not originally from the south) care about is money and right now the south is the place to make it in hip-hop. But what do you think happens when the south stops being the center of pop culture. All of those backers and so-call loyal fans abandon it and leave it high and dry. No matter it be rock and roll, jazz, blues, or even showtunes, the only thing that matters in the end is whether you stayed true to your music and yourself. I highly doubt lil' john could answer that question whole hearty. P.s: I do like jay-z, but only because he's sort of a hometown hero for me. I don't really care about him as an artist though  BlackCaesar: I really wasn't going to say anything.. because really, I have nothing to contribute that has anything to do with the topic at hand. But what the f*ck?! seriously? It's starting to get me a lil' angry that every time someone has anything to say about Lil' Wayne, lo and behold, in comes Wyteboy to jump on grenades and check for poison. Listen.. I have no problem at all with you diggin' a dude's music. That's your opinion and I'm trying to respect it, but maaaaaaaaaaan. Excuse my language here.. Every motherf*ckin' time someone has an opinion or critics him, they are suddenly a hater. You sound like an ignant motherf*cker every time you come bustin' in like the Kool Aid Man, yelling some sh!t about how everyone that dislikes Lil' Wayne is a c^&w sucker, a dick rider or a hater. If you really want to represent and defend Lil' Wayne, say something that makes sense, actually defend, if you really are that big of a fan, act like you're his lawyer and we are the jury. You're going to have to come harder than that if you're so bent on defending his every action. Don't call the people you're trying to convince names and expect them to bend-over and agree with you. If you're here to just call people names, because they don't agree with you, then bounce. We don't have time for that nonsense. If you want to discuss, then actually DISCUSS something. That goes for EVERYONE. That's all. I'm done. Proceed with your original programming. Peace. One. ~B'Ceez BigCitySlicker: Agreed. I actually wanna know why people like this Lil' Wayne guy so much, but all I get was dumb answers. So, what can you gather from people saying that "he's the hottest rapper out RIGHT NOW" or "The best rapper ALIVE" or whatever? I came to the conclusion that those kinda "hip-hop" fans don't really know what Hip-hop is to begin with. Even if your not talking about that wezzy guy. It goes for pretty much any type of artist they claim is hot at the moment. People are very fickle when it comes to music so, you can't really blame them. There some kinds of music or artist you can't really listen to for a lifetime. It's just a passing fad and when that person isn't all that much in the public eyes of populace(Hence the name "Pop Culture", they move on to the next guy. And that's my main point: most of the people that listen to hip-hop don't understand the main concept of the art. It's just another type of pop music for them. In the end, I believe it's best to have both. The Hip-pop and the true hip-hop. I think one of the main reasons hip-hop is dying is because the two got mix together and everyones confused now. I'm still a little green when it comes to my hip-hop knowledge, but I think that I've got the main point of what hip-hop is. You can't just turn on mtv or bet or whatever and get your facts from there(Although I do like MTV's fresh with with that Freddy Fab guy. At least they try to teach you something about the history of hip-hop). From what I can tell, history is repeating itself. The same thing happen to rock n' roll when it started to came to huge mainstream audience. And it's happen to hip-hop now. To sum it all up: Love whatever music you love for whatever reason you love it. Just at least attempt to learn what your talking about before you say it. BigCitySlicker: Well, anyway, getting back to the topic. I don't think it matters too much what region your from when it comes to your lyrical skills. Even if your region or whatever is flooded with a certain type of artist, it doesn't really change the fact that you can still have a completely different style. Take artist like Kanye West, Common, Lupe Fiasco, and Soulja Boy. The only thing Soulja Boy has in common with those guys is the fact they're all from Chi-town. Same thing goes for every region on the US hip-hop map. I'm not a fan of east coast(I do often favor them though) rappers or a fan of west coast and southern rappers. I'm a fan of hip-hop. To sum it all up: Crappy music is crappy music. Great music is great music. It doesn't really matter to me what region your from. Hip-hop killers all have the same blood on their knifes. BigCitySlicker: ^^^...Just about every other decent rapper. Hell, I don't even think those are his best punch lines. I could give you a bunch of examples of great punch, but It's just a waste(check out Ghostface Killah's "Fishscale" for starters). There's more to rhythms than punchlines. Think about wordplay as boxing. The punchlines are the jabs, the metaphors are the hooks, and the uppercuts are oxymoron and personification(Sort of like setting the seen). As far as punchlines goes, he's pretty good, most of the time, but in the other forms of wordplay, he's just average. I like to put his wordplay skills with Lloyd Banks or Mf Doom or even Jay-z's average pace. That's not a bad thing. But you see, that's the thing, the guys all wordplay when he does shows his rhythm skills. There's more to being "the greatest rapper alive" than wordplay. It takes integrity, leadership skills, storytelling, experience, knowledge, respect, flow, and heart. Lil' wayne lacks in all of those areas. (3\10)He doesn't have that much integrity. (2\10)His leadership skills are non-existing. (4\10)It's beautiful when this guy tells a story...after it's done, that is (5\10)His experience is okay; nothing special though. (??\10)His knowledge: he's suppose to be a college graduate or whatever, but when he talks, can you really tell?? (6\10)Respect: he gets respect for being in the spotlight be even the most season rappers, but I seriously doubt it's fluent. (6\10)Flow: he can be good with flow, but all of that sing-song crap has GOT to go. (2\10)And heart? How many good or at least decent rappers has he beaten in a rap battle? Hardly any. Every time the guy gets in confrontation with a rapper who is even remotely skilled, he runs like a little school girl with his tail between his legs(ex. Young buck, his new BFF Jay-Z, Gili the kid, and even 50 cent). And that's one of the things that pisses me off. How can you claim to be the "best rapper alive", when you won't even stay and fight? Even Common, a concuss MC mind you, went head-to head with Ice Cube. If you can't be a great rapper why can't you at least be a man? But, I digress. I have no reason to be bias against the guy or any other rapper for that matter. I have been watching this guy since "500 degrees" 'til now. This is what I conclude: He's a decent rapper with somewhat impressive skills that overdoes it in a bad way and is WAY over hyped. To me, his best album so far was "tha carter 2". That was a good display of his growth as a rapper. But, judging from his work after that album; I see very slack and careless execution. I actually felt bad for the people that spend their hard earned money to buy that album. To me, "tha carter 3" just another one of his recent mixtapes(with Jay-z and t-pain!! Yippy!!) No doubt his fans were happy(they'd be happy with just an audio tape of the guy), but all of the skeptics felt one thing: pissed. As Nas once said:"In hip-hop, the weapons are lyrical. To be the best, you challenged the best and the best and the blessing are spiritual.". The only "best" the guy has challenge is the billboard charts, which I actually congratulate the guy for. It's nice to hip-hop at the top spot for once. After all, we are and will probably always be, the underdog of the music world. But, there's getting to the top and getting to the top as a man. Like I've said before, I'm no hip-hop expert. I'm just I guy who loves hip-hop and rap. This is how I see the guy from his actions, because that's what matter, right? P.s: If that's a good punchline, what do you call this?: "Trailblazer stay ballin Revenge is my arts is crafty darts While y'all stuck on Laffy Taffy Wonderin' how y'all niggaz get past me I been doin this before Nas dropped the Nasty" - Ghostface Killah: "The Champ KidBlaze98: Really cool comment, Big! that's kinda how i rate him. lil' wayne is okay, but not really my style. I prefer rappers like lupe fiasco, kanye west, and fort minor. all of my friends dig him, but i don't. they think i'm hatin' just because i said i didn't like the dude. yo, later for these hater players!!  TEXASTONY: southern artists r comin up now more then ever specailly outta the N.O., n Texas, but if u really wanna know about southern artists u gotta go underground, cause a lot of em dont wanna get into the back stabbin industry, look up some z-ro, 50/50 twin. those 2 spit some real shit  Kane: i just wanna know why ya'll (an i dont mean everyone but ya'll know who you are) hatin on the Dirty South. Real sh!t man we get the kane cheaper, got better women, and seriously if you dont know what a chevy is you dont know cars. Whats not to love about the South. Not to say the DMX and Nas didnt know what they were doing, but when it comes to rappin wasn't Lil Flip that was crowned the underground freestyle king, and Lil Wayne isnt far behind though i put him at the top of that list sorry Jay-Z may have the hustlin skills but i dont know bout his freestyles. Simply put The Dirty South is where alot of the north gets its style from!! KidBlaze98: umm...no offense, dude, but that's kinda like saying Elvis Presley got his influence from The Rolling Stones. how can you influence something that came before your time?? plus, everybody has their own style. it doesn't mean one's better than the other...it just means that, well..everyone's different. BlackCaesar: Seriously man, I don't understand what you're saying with things like "The North got influence from the South" (Yes, it's paraphrased. Try not to lose any sleep over it). I don't know what your talks about Chevies, women (perceived objectively) and 'caine have anything to do with why Dirty South hip hop is so great. In terms of lifestyle, both sides have influenced each other in their own way, really if anyone has influenced anyone more... I would say it would have to be the west overall.. but that it just my opinion. That's neither here nor there though, considering this is a thread about southern music, so I'll leave it at that. Kane: yeah i know.... im down south still sportin Tims & FUBU is still my fav brand.... so maybe it was a bit to objective to say that only the south influences only the north ....im still a YANKEE by nature masta_ov_desasta: ludacis KING of tha south 4sho that aint no lie ti iz up there wit him to but all prayz king luda YeaH  Big B: Yo big ups to who ever dropped 50/50 twin, thats some hot shit. Paul Wall is tight in the studio and the booth, gotta give props. Chamillionaire has sooo many diff styles and he sings. UGK (r.i.p. pimp c), Outkast, gotta love them boys. The south is about more than ringtone rappers, that jus the exposure they are getting right now.  kingjackass: in my eyez aint nothin realer than the south & you people that dont agree its cuz look at who you consider the south is KidBlaze98: ...You see...this my problem with the south...it's all about who's the realest this and who's the best gangster that...it's communism in disguise. It's not just the south, but almost the whole Who gives a C R A P about who has the most rep and all that hogwash? Some of these artist and so-called artist need to understand that a lot of people, like myself, don't just wanna hear fake stories made just to boost their street cred. Some of us don't wanna here about hoes, pimps, guns, money and cars all the time...some of us want to hear actual lyrics made by people that actually see people as people and not just numbers of album sales or demographics. I, personally want an artist who tell a story with detailed lyrics and can provide a lesson I can actually use in real life. Yes, not everyone in the south is a ringtone rapper and not everyone in the north is all that poetic...but, that's the whole point...this North Vs. South is some BS that needs to be buried. Does matter who someone else think is better?? No! It's just a matter of difference of opinions. I honest cannot understand why some people can get so worked up because someone has a different take on a matter than they do. No, that person is [probably]not a hater and no, they are probably not a "regional racist" or whatever...they just think differently than you do. If you're gonna off someone every time they disagree with you, wouldn't you depopulate the human race??...Seriouly why can't we be friends?? ericvich: If yall dont think the south brings it...well listen to this.... Absolutely Perfect. from each song to the hole theme is great! most yall gonna go head over heels over the better know "Lovin it" track # 10, and in this video, the full album, its 27:26 Much love from the south, to the south, and hip hop in general! | Music Chat Room 36 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
